Stob na Broige (Buachaille Etive Mor)

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Region: Fort William

Altitude: 956 metres

Rank: 204th

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Summary

Stob na Broige is the summit at the Glen Etive end of Buachaille Etive Mor. It was promoted to become a separate Munro in 1997 when means that most baggers now traverse the whole ridge.

Detailed route description and map

Buachaille Etive Mor ridge from Altnafeadh

Accommodation

Glencoe Hotels

Glencoe B&B

Glencoe Cottages

Lochaber Hostels

There are 43 public user walk reports for Stob na Broige (Buachaille Etive Mor):

walk reports for Stob na Broige (Buachaille Etive Mor)
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BUACHAILLE ETIVE MOR -mountains, frost, sunshine by blueyed on Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:28 pm: 18Likes; 1234Views; Last post by PeteR
on Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:32 pm

Buachaille Etive Mor via Curved Ridge - 50th & 51st munros by jwramsay on Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:24 pm: 16Likes; 2250Views; Last post by LJgee
on Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:00 pm

The Day Time Stood Still on Buachaille Etive Mor by Stretch on Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:51 pm: 12Likes; 4427Views; Last post by Bod
on Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:48 pm

My 100th with a little help from the two Herdsmen of Etive by rockhopper on Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:05 am: 10Likes; 1791Views; Last post by Del246
on Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:05 pm

A life-affirming winter's walk on Buachaille Etive Mor by Sgritheall or bust on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:35 pm: 9Likes; 519Views; Last post by RicKamila
on Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:33 pm

Final Score - Colla 2 Buachaille 0 (2-1 Agg) by Collaciotach on Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:57 pm: 7Likes; 280Views; Last post by Collaciotach
on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:37 pm

An Idiot's Guide to Curved Ridge by houdi on Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:10 pm: 6Likes; 3215Views; Last post by jwramsay
on Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:26 am

40th Birthday on Buachailles. by mamoset on Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:14 pm: 2Likes; 324Views; Last post by kev_russ
on Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:15 pm

The Big Herdsman's back-side! by Ranger on Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:21 am: 1Likes; 384Views; Last post by Ranger
on Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:08 pm

Buaichaille Etive Mor second attempt by mrssanta on Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:15 pm: 1Likes; 163Views; Last post by mrssanta
on Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:48 pm

The Stag Party at the Buachaille by Mountainlove on Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:04 pm: 1Likes; 523Views; Last post by mgmt!
on Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:25 pm

Beautiful Buachaille Etive Mor by nzt2011 on Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:02 pm: 1Likes; 352Views; Last post by nzt2011
on Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:02 pm

A Day On The Big Buachaille by Relayer2112 on Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:30 am: 1Likes; 355Views; Last post by jester
on Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:47 am

Stob na Broige...at last! by Labdad77 on Tue May 03, 2011 8:28 pm: 1Likes; 501Views; Last post by skuk007
on Wed May 04, 2011 2:21 pm

Stob Dearg & Stob na Broige (Buachaille Etive Mor) by Creeno on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:13 pm: 0Likes; 160Views; Last post by Creeno
on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:18 pm

Stob Dearg by marc.duff@gmail.com on Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:04 pm: 0Likes; 113Views; Last post by marc.duff@gmail.com
on Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:04 pm

Camera broken on Bookil! by highland rambler on Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:54 pm: 0Likes; 183Views; Last post by dooterbang
on Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:08 pm

Kurts Final Munro by Mountain Trekker on Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:49 am: 0Likes; 123Views; Last post by Mountain Trekker
on Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:49 am

Buachaille Etive Mor,,,Check! by GillC on Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:20 pm: 0Likes; 499Views; Last post by GillC
on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:21 pm

Buachaille Etive Mor... 5 dogs & 5 blokes by Jabber on Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:58 pm: 0Likes; 263Views; Last post by kev_russ
on Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:03 pm

Great day, great mountain by 147cjl on Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:32 pm: 0Likes; 271Views; Last post by 147cjl
on Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:53 pm

Buachaille Etive Mor and my near death experience! (4&5) by erin_niamh on Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:14 am: 0Likes; 460Views; Last post by jwramsay
on Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:37 pm

Buachaille Etive Mor by Brian_G81 on Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:20 am: 0Likes; 193Views; Last post by dooterbang
on Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:25 am

Buachaille Etive More (The Video) Roy Bridge meet, June 2011 by mountainstar on Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:18 pm: 0Likes; 542Views; Last post by walk aboot
on Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:48 am

Buachaille Etive Mor, by Curved Ridge. by David Lyall on Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:06 pm: 0Likes; 619Views; Last post by andybygsi
on Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:14 pm

Buachaille Etive Mor on a 4 season day. by kw1980 on Sun May 22, 2011 11:36 pm: 0Likes; 785Views; Last post by colgregg
on Tue May 24, 2011 10:56 pm

The Buachaille via Curved Ridge & Crowberry Tower by houdi on Sun May 08, 2011 8:17 pm: 0Likes; 1295Views; Last post by houdi
on Sat May 14, 2011 10:14 pm

Buachaille Etie Mor by ewan wilson on Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:59 pm: 0Likes; 262Views; Last post by ewan wilson
on Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:59 pm

Buachaille Etive Mor (White Hackle Challenge) by Bruadair on Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:40 pm: 0Likes; 1346Views; Last post by steven671
on Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:44 pm

Mor Tussle But Buachailled Up The 50 by yokehead on Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:38 pm: 0Likes; 887Views; Last post by yokehead
on Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:48 pm

Deep snow on Buachaille by alanmurray on Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:30 pm: 0Likes; 1243Views; Last post by alanmurray
on Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:00 pm

Buachaille Etive Mor by pigeon on Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:10 pm: 0Likes; 749Views; Last post by skuk007
on Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:33 pm

A KICK IN THE BUACHILLE'S by JB likes a beer on Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:26 am: 0Likes; 1818Views; Last post by JB likes a beer
on Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:11 pm

Buachaille Etive Beag and Mor on a glorious day by monty on Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:18 pm: 0Likes; 3178Views; Last post by aliceandrew
on Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:58 am

Buachaille Etive Mor and Buachaille Etive Beag by davetherave on Tue Jun 29, 2010 3:24 pm: 0Likes; 929Views; Last post by Derek T.
on Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:35 pm

Stob Dearg and Stob Na Broige by Taraloo on Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:48 am: 0Likes; 1741Views; Last post by Taraloo
on Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:39 am

Stob Dearg and Stob Na Broige by skuk007 on Mon May 31, 2010 9:36 pm: 0Likes; 907Views; Last post by monty
on Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:03 am

Buachaille Etive Mor by Scotshiker on Fri May 21, 2010 11:05 pm: 0Likes; 1137Views; Last post by goth_angel
on Sun May 23, 2010 9:42 am

Buachaille Etive Mor by steven65 on Tue May 18, 2010 10:18 pm: 0Likes; 1508Views; Last post by annestevens
on Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:47 pm

the curved ridge by ken reid on Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:09 pm: 0Likes; 1648Views; Last post by lomondwalkers
on Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:06 pm

Golden Scottish Autumn by Wanderlust on Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:04 pm: 0Likes; 1505Views; Last post by Wanderlust
on Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:39 am

Green Buchaille Etive Mor! by mountain coward on Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:44 am: 0Likes; 2250Views; Last post by Graeme D
on Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:49 am

March madness on the Big Buachaille by Graeme D on Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:01 pm: 0Likes; 2103Views; Last post by Graeme D
on Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:44 am

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