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Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.


Postby margiewolf » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:03 am

Happy new year to all, (Covid dependant) we are planning on doing a hike upto scafell pike later this year. We want to hit the 4 main summits, being Scafell pike, Broad crag, III crag and scafell in one hit. Most likely starting from Wast water. Has anyone got any recommended routes and is this do-able. We are all round fit lads with a decent amount of hiking experience. Just need a good recommended route.
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Re: Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Postby simon-b » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:50 pm

Eskdale would be another good base for these. If you are all fit and experienced, as you say, why not go for the whole Eskdale Horseshoe? It doesn't get better than this in England.

https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=35828
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Re: Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Postby Pointless Parasite » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:52 pm

Hi margiewolf, you could do the route I described in this report:

https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=86074

The scramble up Broad crag could easily be avoided and the West Wall traverse could be avoided by following Lord's Rake all the way. The one thing to avoid, unless you're competent climbers with a rope, is trying to take a short cut between Scafell and Scafell Pike via Broad Stand. This is a notorious accident black spot and results in MRT callouts every year.
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Re: Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Postby Alteknacker » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:53 pm

I know this wasn't the question, but following on from PP's suggestion, if you're all-round fit lads (rather than old fogies!) you might want to consider the Wasdale Horseshoe, that incorporates all these... If the weather plays ball, you should get some of the best views available in the LD...

https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=51636
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Re: Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Postby al78 » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:14 am

Is Broad Stand notorious because it is very technically difficult, or is it because a mistake is very badly punished?
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Re: Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Postby johnkaysleftleg » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:31 am

al78 wrote:Is Broad Stand notorious because it is very technically difficult, or is it because a mistake is very badly punished?


Both I believe
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Re: Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Postby Kinshusrst Kid » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:17 am

The Wasdale MRT website has comments about Broadstand

see https://www.wmrt.org.uk/advice/accident-black-spots/scafell-broad-stand/
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Re: Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Postby WalkWithWallace » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:13 am

We bagged the 4 Furths from Eskdale. There's parking at the bottom of the Hardknott Pass. Followed the River Esk, then headed up Little Narrowcove and up to Broad and Ill Crag, then over to Scafell Pike, my friends went scrambling up near Lord's Rake, I wasn't fancying that route so found another path up to the summit of Sca Fell. Descended south, over Slight Side and back to the car. Braw day out. 8)
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Re: Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Postby dav2930 » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:19 pm

al78 wrote:Is Broad Stand notorious because it is very technically difficult, or is it because a mistake is very badly punished?

It's notorious as an accident blackspot. If unprotected by a rope, a slip from the crux will have very serious, probably fatal, consequences. Walkers who have no climbing experience should leave it well alone, both in ascent and in descent.

From a climbing perspective it's graded 'Moderate', which is the easiest recognised climbing grade. You might find a few moves of 'Moderate' on a grade 3 scramble (as on Pinnacle Ridge, St Sunday Crag, for example). Climbers frequently use Broad Stand as a descent from the top of climbs on the East Buttress and Scafell Crag, and in dry conditions are usually happy to do this unroped. It's actually easier and safer to descend (provided you find the correct route) than to ascend, because the crux step can be negotiated by lowering oneself from good hand-holds down a short corner with just a short step down onto a wide ledge, using a brief layback manoeuvre. This is much harder to do going up, so in ascent most people will use the technically easier but more exposed alternative of stepping out leftwards onto a series of big but polished and sloping footholds. The hand-holds are not great here so it can feel a bit precarious - it relies on good friction from your boots. A slip can easily occur if there is any dampness and/or dirt on your boot-soles, and it's a 30 ft. drop onto boulders. Hence the potential for serious accidents, despite the low technicality (on the climbing spectrum). Unfortunately, walkers are often lured by Broad Stand because the technical level is just about within what might be described as a "scramble".
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Re: Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Postby simon-b » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:32 pm

Samuel Taylor-Coleridge's method of identifying the correct descent route for Broad Stand is not recommended. Apparently he just let himself drop and hoped for the best, some say under the influence of alcohol and opiates. But he did live to write more poems.
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Re: Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Postby simon-b » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:44 pm

WalkWithWallace wrote:We bagged the 4 Furths from Eskdale. There's parking at the bottom of the Hardknott Pass. Followed the River Esk, then headed up Little Narrowcove and up to Broad and Ill Crag, then over to Scafell Pike, my friends went scrambling up near Lord's Rake, I wasn't fancying that route so found another path up to the summit of Sca Fell. Descended south, over Slight Side and back to the car. Braw day out. 8)

Good route!
As are all the other suggestions. Another excellent route from Wasdale which avoids the crowds is to ascend alongside the left hand bank of Piers Gill, as suggested by Wainwright. You could then get your main target summits by joining Pointless Parasite's route when you reach the main ridge. Alteknacker's route is a real epic - if you're fit enough, why not?! My respect to all those like Alteknacker who manage that, including the legendary Joss Naylor who ran it in his 70s.
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Re: Scafell pike, broad crag, III crag and scafell.

Postby dav2930 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:27 pm

simon-b wrote:Samuel Taylor-Coleridge's method of identifying the correct descent route for Broad Stand is not recommended. Apparently he just let himself drop and hoped for the best, some say under the influence of alcohol and opiates. But he did live to write more poems.

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His own account of that historic descent in 1802 makes fascinating reading, doesn't it? Possibly the first description of its kind ever written, though I suspect the number of little walls he says he dropped down is somewhat exaggerated! Coleridge is often derided for his opium addiction, but he only became addicted after being prescribed opium by a doctor. I'm not sure what evidence there is that he was under the influence of alcohol at the time. At any rate, when he says that "the powers of reason and the will" enabled him to overcome his state of panic and finally work his way down, he really hits on the frame of mind required for mountaineering. Another useful adage of his is "Where the rushes grow, a man may go", which I've tested many times when crossing boggy ground and found to be very reliable!
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