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Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby Coop » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:03 pm

Glengavel wrote:


This practice of 'blame the gamekeeper' has to stop. Not that the gamekeepers are innocent, but they're not acting on their own initiative.


History gave us a few lessons about this!!
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby Csm8 » Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:34 pm

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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby davekeiller » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:29 pm

If he's from London, then he's not foreign. The country as recognised by the UN and other international bodies is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

If you think that the law has been broken, you should contact the police (or other authorities as appropriate).

If you don't think that the law has been broken, but disapprove of the actions of the estate perhaps you would be better off contacting the estate and informing them of your concerns. I certainly think it would be preferable to allow the estate to give their side of the argument.
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby The Lady In Ivan » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:53 pm

BBC Investigates: The Men Who Own Scotland, investigated this estate and the owner in 2014. The full programme is still available on YouTube.
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby DomBoyd » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:15 pm

iain_atkinson_1986 wrote:The whisky isn't great either.

:lol:


Probably from the tons of medicated grit washed downstream....
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby DomBoyd » Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:17 pm

newbs52 wrote:Dom - if you have any photos of the bags of dead pheasants, please forward them to RaptorPersecutionUK. They are very good at publicising the horrific things that happen on shooting estates, particularly in Scotland.


Thanks for the suggestion, I do and I will
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby spiderwebb » Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:43 pm

Csm8 wrote:
Scraggygoat wrote:You might wish to investigate a bit further, not a foreign owner:

Wildlife crime
https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/gamekeeper-convicted-for-dead-peregrine-on-glenfiddich-and-cabrach-estate/
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/MILLIONAIRE+LAIRD+DESTROYS+HOMES%3B+Council+act+to+save+estate...-a060209594

Numerous Buildings abandoned
https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/glenfiddich-lodge-moray-28-02-2008.28612/
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4515627

V. Wealthy owner
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12515972.unmasked-the-landowner-set-to-make-millions-from-moray-wind-farm/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/christopher-moran-lq20tqmcx28

with a chequered history (see other links above about expulsion from lloyds)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/christopher-moran-so-rich-donor-racy-past-cameron-desperate-keep-secret-6104186.html


How is he not foreign? He’s from London?

Either way, thanks for the links, he has a disgraceful track record!


I'm from London too, and I'm not foreign either, and resent the suggestion ! Fortunately not all Londoners are the same, and thankfully not all people in Scotland are either !
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby AyrshireAlps » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:32 pm

Provenance of landowner is neither here nor there, an arse is an arse. Ann Gloag is a Scot, and a bigger arse you'll not find.

I'd be reporting the owner.
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby Glengavel » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:56 pm

In 2014 Mr Moran was concerned about where the investment would come from if we split up large estates:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25647169

Judging by the condition of the buildings in the Cabrach and Glenfiddich estates, I would say there's not been a lot of investment anyway.
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby DomBoyd » Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:30 pm

AyrshireAlps wrote:Provenance of landowner is neither here nor there, an arse is an arse. Ann Gloag is a Scot, and a bigger arse you'll not find.

I'd be reporting the owner.


I’d love to report the owner, but doubt they’re doing anything particularly remarkable or illegal, just what goes on up and down the country on various estates. The present government (and royals) legislates, encourages and participates in such slaughter so there’s little hope for change
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby davekeiller » Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:04 pm

I still think we should let the estate give us their side of the story.
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby DomBoyd » Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:31 pm

davekeiller wrote:I still think we should let the estate give us their side of the story.


Their reply might go something like this -

“Killing the thousands of pheasants we rear each year is perfectly legal, that’s what we rear them for - to blast out the sky for fun!. We also have to protect all those thousands of pheasants, so we indiscriminately obliterate any natural predators - stoat, weasel, squirrel, rabbit, hare, fox, birds of prey (yes, we kill them too, even iconic birds like golden eagles!). We don’t have any interest in species diversity, we just want the pheasants because they make us money, that’s why our estate supports nothing else, it’s just pheasants that matter. Oh, and we are within the law. I know our gamekeepers break the law all the time but we realise that video evidence doesn’t count unless we’re told in advance so we can shoot stuff that’s protected. Well, it threatens the pheasants so it needs to be shot. It’s a lovely place our estate, don’t you think?”
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby gld73 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:32 pm

AyrshireAlps wrote:Provenance of landowner is neither here nor there, an arse is an arse. Ann Gloag is a Scot, and a bigger arse you'll not find.



I know she's not popular amongst walkers in Scotland - but I can think of far worse people than her. Plenty women in Africa who had some horrendous obstetric problems, people in Malawi who've suffered burns, and Kenyan orphans would certainly disagree with you.
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Re: Glen fiddich estate is a disgrace to Scotland

Postby al78 » Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:12 pm

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