Eejit

[Caberfeidh]

Dearie me ; which one of you was this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16431970

[monty]

Not sure you will get an answer to that one Caberfeidh And it wisnae me

[smudger831]

Wisnae me either. Reserve my walking for the better weather only. Probably the first week in July. If I'm lucky.

[iainwatson]

there will have to be some sort of fine imposed on people who are that under prepared and need the mountain rescue

for the cost of a map and compass(also knowledge to use them) there would have been no need for a rescue

[Cameron94]

there will have to be some sort of fine imposed on people who are that under prepared and need the mountain rescue

for the cost of a map and compass(also knowledge to use them) there would have been no need for a rescue

By fining them you are taking away money which could be used for a navigation course. It would defeat the purpose you would still have people out on the hills doing irresponsible things partly because they are unable to get on a skills day.

I don't agree with giving fines for calling out mountain rescue, where would you draw the line as to how much gear you should have?
I think that people should be donating to mr after being helped out of trouble, how much they give is up to them.

Cameron

[jester]

can't wait to read the walk report for that one!

[Fudgie]

Not guilty

[AlisonFox66]

If I had a fiver for every time I have gone up Ben Cleuch without a map , I could pay any flippin' fine
I travel light on my local hill - spare food probably and a waterproof , crampons and axe in winter
and well equipped before I start

however I don't like Ben Ledi much , just that 160m higher makes all the difference

This case was probably just unlucky, don't be so harsh

[EmmaTowle]

Its not harsh! Hes clearly a muppet. Packing light and not taking extra clothing or food is clearly just stupid! Its chuffing Winter!

[Kevin29035]

I've lost count of how many times I took a picture of the map because I don't own any, or left it all at home. Shoot me.

Common sense is one of your biggest assets. The guy could have been way out his depth, he could also have been on his several hundredth ascent of that hill. All I can say is I'll bet at the time the guy wished he'd even just packed a compass! But I would not shoot him down in flames, nor get into the old mountain rescue debate... 1) I'll leave that to the rescuers to decide. 2) I'm always brought back to the image a guy in my mountaineering club of a fat guy sitting in the pub giving "Why the **** would you climb up a mountain, that's just wasting taxpayers money when you'll obviously have to get rescued."

Cue laugh at fat guy, because he just missed the point...

[Matthew C]

Its not harsh! Hes clearly a muppet. Packing light and not taking extra clothing or food is clearly just stupid! Its chuffing Winter!

I can agree with some of what Kevin29035 said, however Emma kind of nail's it in that:-
1) It is winter.
2) The weather over the last month has been C**P to put it politle.
3) General avalanch risk has been high ?
4)He may well be experianced, in which case it makes him a KING sized muppet.

Oh & by the way it wasny me

[sloosh]

can't wait to read the walk report for that one!

All things said the guy in question simply got complacent as he'd climbed the same hill many times before.

Hands up anyone who has never had one of those "oh ya fecker, that could have turned out badly!" moments on a hill because they were a wee bit complacent or made a stupid decision.

[mgmt!]

By fining them you are taking away money which could be used for a navigation course. It would defeat the purpose you would still have people out on the hills doing irresponsible things partly because they are unable to get on a skills day.

I don't agree with giving fines for calling out mountain rescue, where would you draw the line as to how much gear you should have?
I think that people should be donating to mr after being helped out of trouble, how much they give is up to them.

Cameron

cameron, i dont hink a skills day makes you an expert in map reading, navigation or anything else, they wouldnt let you out driving on the road with a one day skills course ?

ohh and no it wasnt me

[Rekrab]

we went out in good vis yesterday I had Compass, GPS and one of us brought a photo copy of the map.
wasn't really comfortable with that but the vis was great so we got on with it and had a good day out. if the cloud was down I would have bought a map at the bottom first.

the fact that I wasn't comfortable with it from the start could have been a mistake but I chanced it and we had a great day out.

MacKenzie,

[AlisonFox66]

all things said the guy in question simply got complacent as he'd climbed the same hill many times before.

Hands up anyone who has never had one of those "oh ya fecker, that could have turned out badly!" moments on a hill because they were a wee bit complacent or made a stupid decision.

well my hands are staying down
of course we have days like that , it is part of hillwalking

in fact it is good to have days like that as it makes us stronger and more aware for the next time