Why does this website only list Mountains and not Tops.

[timstobart]

Is it just me, or is the practice of bagging just the summit, and not taking in the outlying tops a half hearted way of walking the Munro's?

I find it incredibly frustrating that all the guide books, and often websites focus on the 282 mountains while ignoring the often more interesting further 237 tops. Given a choice I would also list any hill or top that has historically been listed, to give people an excuse to get out onto them, as surely that's what people are looking for.

So my question/point is, do people share my views, or am I in a minority for thinking that the tops are worthy of much greater attention?

[Moriarty]

So my question/point is, do people share my views, or am I in a minority for thinking that the tops are worthy of much greater attention?

Some people share your views and yes.....you are in a minority.

....but that's not to say you don't have a point which seems to be missed by the Hoi Polloi.

As an additional point....do you really want the majority to join you on those interesting outliers? Or is their relative peace and quiet not one of the things that lends them character?

[Moriarty]

2. Maintaining a website such as this one must be a big task. Perhaps adding the Munro tops might be too difficult. I could be totally wrong here, as I know nothing about running a website.

This website is very customer/commercially orientated.....if the market was there I'm sure the product would be offered.

I'd say the fact that Munro tops are not covered here is a barometer of where they stand in the Scottish hillwalking financial market.

[Liebestoter]

There are web sites out there that list all tops, even deleted Munro Tops.

Apart from the very long walks I always add extra tops on to the walks on this site, 76 Munro Tops and 25 deleted tops so far.

Some of the Munro Tops are a great addition to a walk. Meall Dearg/Northern Pinnacles on Liathach springs to mind. A nice bit of scrambling to get out there and back from Mullach an Rathain

[Moriarty]

That a fair point but doesn't explain the low standing of Munro tops nowadays among hill walkers when it used to be the "done thing" to complete the tops as well as the Munros.

Not sure it was ever quite so popular.

Looking at the SMC list - of the first 500 munroists about 150 registered finishing the tops (30%).

Once up towards Munroist number 2000 it looks like about 10%.

After that it drops down further - perhaps about 5%?

Certainly a fashion of the past but never de rigeur.

[jmarkb]

Perhaps people find some of the more recently introduced lists (e.g. Grahams, Marilyns, both published in 1992, I think) more attractive objectives than the Tops, which arbitrarily defined, have been subject to even more promotion/demotion controversy than the main summits, often require out-and-back diversions from logical routes, and don't have the benefit of being good poor weather alternatives?

[gaffr]

Well there is always a copy of the Munro's Tables, a 'trainspotters guide' to most of the elevated ones is what you need to search out the tops. Probably why most of them were/are rarely visited.

Munro's Tables....a couple of pages extract.

[AJNicholls]

I think Paul has mentioned before that the more lists there are, the more confusion is caused for some of the site's visitors.

Personally, I'd like to see the English and Welsh Sub-2000 Marilyns on the site as this would give those of us not fortunate enough to live in Munro Country some more trackable targets (as well as some curiosities to visit when others come down South.) Also this would just be an addition to an existing list rather than a new one.

[RyanfaeScotland]

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2. Maintaining a website such as this one must be a big task.
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Ha! Are you kidding, it's a breeze! Once every 4 years he has to move a hill from the Munro list to the Corbett list and 4 years later he has to move it back. The rest of the time is spent sipping pinacoladas and being fanned by big fijian women.

[jepsonscotland]

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2. Maintaining a website such as this one must be a big task.
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Ha! Are you kidding, it's a breeze! Once every 4 years he has to move a hill from the Munro list to the Corbett list and 4 years later he has to move it back. The rest of the time is spent sipping pinacoladas and being fanned by big fijian women.

Brilliant!!

[rambler]

I'm waiting now for the comments along the lines of "political correctness gone mad" and "Have you not got a sense of humour?"

He was being offensive to one specific Fijian woman

Not quite on the same scale of serendipitously-precise footwear-related ethereal giftage, but one time I went through the Lairigh Gru and, footsore and manky-of-sock, I found a nice new pair of socks, lying on top of the heather as if placed there specially. Blue, and smelling as if newly-laundered. And they fit both my feet! It's always a bonus to find some useful thing whilst out in the hills.

And we all thought you had a peg leg

Nonsense.I am a fifty-stone Fijian woman.

[CharlesT]

I reserve the right to sit on my moral high horse about the stereotyping of Fijian women as fat.

The morality, or otherwise, of horses is an interesting and little understood concept.

[Sgurr]

It would be nice to have a list of Munro tops. Not that I intend to collect them, but I may have inadvertently wandered across a few. Armchair bagging is good way of filling in these short winter days.

I reserve the right to sit on my moral high horse about the stereotyping of Fijian women as fat.

The morality, or otherwise, of horses is an interesting and little understood concept.

Only if you attribute to them the human attributes of being able to plan, regret and see other horses as having the same thoughts and feelings as them.

[nigheandonn]

I think the more a site focuses on maps rather than stories, the more likely it is to include the more obscure hills - if you have one main map. it gets more and more cluttered, and a Munro top map probably isn't much use if you can't combine it with the Munro one.

But I would like an English marilyns map. And an all-hills-that-aren't-marilyns one

[madprof]

I reserve the right to sit on my moral high horse about the stereotyping of Fijian women as fat.

Fat? I assumed they meant tall/broad!

Anyway, adding stuff like Munro tops to this website would require a lot of writing. I imagine the easiest solution is to simply have an extra text box for each Munro listing the names of the tops, maybe with grid references.
I do not volunteer to enter in 1000+ lines of text and thus I'm not going to complain about it not being there.