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by cjwaugh » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:00 pm
Ah common sense a rare commodity today it all seems to be doom and gloom just now with property dropping , job losses , depression thank god we still have our hills to take to as you put it ,sure you ll enjoy the site as much as i do
by Monkey » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:20 pm
Well said.LeithySuburbs wrote:I'm skipping the "say hello" page and just diving in here for my first post. I do like a good debate/discussion and this topic always includes a little luke warm repartee.
What we are talking about here is an old-fashioned idea known as common sense. My first proper hillwalk was on Beinn a'Ghlo and, TBH, I was not properly prepared for it. Yes, I was fit and young and healthy but I simply did not have the experience to take on a reasonably stenuous walk (3 munros, 14 miles). I had no map, compass, ran out of water on BCCB (munro 2), and fell in a bog on my pathless return . However, I got back to my car having thoroughly enjoyed the whole experience (fortunately it was a glorious summer day). Hopefully, I have not repeated any of the above mistakes since.
My point is that we all have to start somewhere and, if I do see a group obviously underprepared, I give them the benefit of the doubt and trust that, if the going/weather gets tough, they will turn back. I wouldn't give them "the lecture" as it would probably be thrown back in my face. Having said that, we all owe it to the MRS to apply "due diligence" (to use a currently popular term) when we take to the hills and I would agree that Snowdon in winter is probably not the place to start.
by munrojo » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:08 pm
i realised that i need better clothing, where im going with this you ask we all have a dream goal and even to persuade someone to diverse from their goal and gain that invaluable experience is not for us to judge..
by mountain tortoise » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:41 pm
by Paul Webster » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:08 pm
by cjwaugh » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:10 pm
Paul Webster wrote:Yes, whatever anyone may have said on this thread I think there is a real problem with a large number of folk underestimating the mountains in winter. This is especially true of the 'honeypot' mountains, whether it is Snowdon, Ben Nevis, Ben Lomond, Schiehallion or the Cobbler - on any of these you can almost guarantee meeting people who aren't yet ready to be there. Yes, these can be great first ascents for beginners to make - in summer.
Not sure what you base that on Paul.
Sure - you may see folks you feel are under-prepared, but, as usual, this winter in Scotland has seen serious incidents in Scotland dominated by experienced walkers and climbers.
There may be lots you see underestimating the winter hills but maybe that hits home soon enough to stop things getting out of hand.
by Paul Webster » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:17 pm
I think the many fatalities on Snowdon this year have been concentrated heavily on the inexperienced.
In Scotland it does seem that more fatalities may have been experienced climbers - probably because they are on more difficult mountains , but a large proportion of rescue call-outs are for the inexperienced. I do know alot of MRT members and walkhighlands is contacted by them to to point out particular hazards on routes where people go frequently wrong.
I appreciate that people learn best from their mistakes; it's just my opinion that the winter mountains are dangerous to such an extent to the complete novice that too many may not get a second chance.
by mountain tortoise » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:42 am
It's ridiculous that sometimes the same people get rescued time and time again - apparently there was a couple rescued twice in 3 days in the Lakes - both times for being stupidly unprepared. There was also that couple in the Lakes who called the mountain rescue 'cos they were going to be late for a 'dinner' appointment!! Once can possibly happen to anyone - twice or more is simply inconsiderate!
- mountain coward
by aimeebethelsmore » Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:21 pm
I have been spoiled in a ways as my introduction to Munro walking was in the winter with an experienced walker so I am confident enough to make decisions based on weather and the kit I am carrying. We don't carry needless kit and none of it overly expensive just emergency rations, torch, whistle, map, compass, fluids and spares clothing (depending on the season). This is our choice to carry these things but I do think to a certain extent more experienced walkers should over advice to others and then it is their choice to take it or not. I would always welcome advice from those who have more experience than me, and I'm a proud woman!
We were worried about a group on teens who started the Five Sisters late afternoon last bank holiday as they seemed very ill prepared so explained an alternative off route for them should they not have enough day light to complete the full walk.
by Nige R » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:35 pm
by stomper » Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:04 pm
by Matthew C » Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:02 pm
stomper wrote:These so called novices who go up mountains when the weather is bad well for me they are asking for trouble and its usually them who end up getting rescued. For me if the weather is bad (evern after an 8hr drive) i don't bother contemplating going up. What do you get from going up mountains when weather is bad Do you see anything, Do you enjoy it, the answer for me is a definate NO NO. Its just a tick in the book and to say that you have done it whooo hooo. I like to go up when the weather is clear and if it rains halfway through so be it.
Define bad weather
If the wind speed is above 40mph base (gusts 60) or there's white-out forecast I'll think twice. Electricity in the air and I'm in the pub
Do you see anything? Almost always actually - wildlife, plants are still there. The odd break in the weather. A different feel for the hill.
Do you enjoy it? the answer for us is a definite YES YES.
Just a tick in a book? No - that's a gross generalisation and an attempt to portray all walkers out in weather you dislike as mad baggers.
In truth I suspect novices are more easily put off by bad weather than the more experienced but I take your point about long drives tempting some out in adverse conditions.
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