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Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter

Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter


Postby willsdad » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:27 pm

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me if Glenfinnan to Shiel Bridge is a sensible option in Feb/Mar time?
I've been through twice before in May and Aug but never in colder conditions. This stretch is one of my favourite of the CWT and I'd love to see it at a different time of year.
I would be taking it easy and probably just going bothy to bothy. My main worry is the Forcan Ridge, would I need crampons? Should I find a better route?
What kind of temperatures can I expect overnight? I'm going to need a new sleeping bag as mine are for warmer climates.
If anyone has knowledge of this area and can suggest a better winter month, I'm fairly flexible. I'd rather snow than rain to be honest.
So far I'm thinking:
Glenfinnan - A'Chuil
A'Chuil - Sourlies
Sourlies - Barrisdale Bay
Barrisdale Bay - Kinloch Hourn
Kinloch Hourn - Shiel Bridge
Nothing too strenuous as I'll be carrying extra gear.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter

Postby jmarkb » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:57 pm

willsdad wrote:Can anyone tell me if Glenfinnan to Shiel Bridge is a sensible option in Feb/Mar time?


Probably fine, but bad weather (high winds, fresh snowfall, rivers in spate) could make it quite a serious trip. You would not want to be solely reliant on bothies (i.e. have sufficient gear to spend a night in a tent/bivvy bag as a backup plan.) Going any earlier would mean very short daylight hours.
willsdad wrote:What kind of temperatures can I expect overnight?


At that time of year near the W coast, anything much below -5C would be unusual.

willsdad wrote: My main worry is the Forcan Ridge, would I need crampons?


You don't need to do the ridge itself, which is quite serious (Grade II winter climb). The "normal" CWT route takes the bypass path from Bealach Coire Mhalagain round the S side of the ridge.
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Re: Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter

Postby willsdad » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:33 pm

Thanks jmarkb
Yes I always have a backup tent.
To be honest, I hadn't thought of the rivers but other than the one you cross descending to Shiel B, they all have bridges on that section......from what I remember....in summer :?

-5 ...so a good 3-4 season should be enough?

I remember the 'bypass' still being quite high and steep in places....would that not be snow covered at that time of year?
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Re: Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter

Postby jmarkb » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:12 pm

willsdad wrote:-5 ...so a good 3-4 season should be enough?


Yes, should be fine, though everyone is different with respect to cold tolerance!

willsdad wrote:I remember the 'bypass' still being quite high and steep in places....would that not be snow covered at that time of year?


Col is at 700m, so snow a definite possibility. But it looks like you can avoid any steep ground by dropping a bit into the corrie. A lightweight axe and microspikes should suffice.
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Re: Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter

Postby Giant Stoneater » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:36 pm

A'Chuil - Sourlies the Finiskaig river at NM 89060 94490 will be tricky in spate,3 of us had to link arms to get across once,i have been through here about a dozen times and I don't think its ever been dry.
Another thing make sure your on the right side of the Allt Cuirnean when coming over the bealach from Glenfinnan or you will face another river crossing which will also be tricky.
One year we hit mega snow going over Mam Meadail.
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Re: Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter

Postby willsdad » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:00 pm

Giant Stoneater wrote:One year we hit mega snow going over Mam Meadail


What time of year was that?

Thanks for all the info. Rivers I can't really prepare for. It'll just be wet feet or detours at the time.
I may be asking the wrong way. ...What is the best month to go so I can enjoy the beauty of winter without needing specialist equipment?
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Re: Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter

Postby mrssanta » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:28 pm

willsdad wrote:...What is the best month to go so I can enjoy the beauty of winter without needing specialist equipment?

I don't think anyone can tell you that. It just depends when the snow falls.
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Re: Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter

Postby Mal Grey » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:11 pm

willsdad wrote:What is the best month to go so I can enjoy the beauty of winter without needing specialist equipment?



If you can find the answer to that we'll all be up there at the same time! :lol: Its unfortunately impossible to know until a week or so before when you get a reasonably accurate forecast, though if we've had weeks of snow by then, you'll know that's going to be there still.

What I would say is that, if full winter conditions appear and you're not confident of doing the few higher sections, you can always go round by a lower level route. For instance there's a route that heads round west of the whole Saddle group, longer than the one that bypasses the Forcan closely, but lower and without steep slopes. Generally I wouldn't expect to need an ice axe and crampons on the CWT route, though I might be tempted to carry an axe if there was decent snow cover and a cold forecast to make it hard and icy.

To be honest, though, if you're heading anywhere in Scotland in winter conditions, you do need to be able to make some sound judgments, its not just about technical winter mountain experience. River crossings may well be one of the biggest issues, but even lower down, if its snowy and the clag comes down, your navigation needs to be excellent.

I would always carry a 4-season-ish bag (-10c) if spending time in the wilder parts of the highlands like this area, in winter. Many years I've not needed anything to go below zero C, but you really don't want to be cold! Make sure your mat is a good warm one too. Also, don't skimp too much on the clothing and things like extra spare gloves/socks etc. Your pack will be heavier, but you may need them.
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Re: Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter

Postby Caberfeidh » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:27 pm

February, March and April have the coldest weather and worst snow, it is a long, severe journey to make if the weather gods throw stuff at you. Minus ten would not be unusual at night, with deep snow in the passes at least. However, I'm sure you have a brain and can decide for yourself at the time whether you should try it or not. A good sleeping bag to take on a winter camping trip is a Buffalo Outer, made from Pertex and fleece, you put your three season bag inside it and it becomes a great Arctic bag. You can stuff your cold damp clothes in between the two bags and your body heat will dry them out overnight. viewtopic.php?f=20&t=48257&p=263737&hilit=+Buffalo+outer#p263737 ; viewtopic.php?f=20&t=45569&p=252022&hilit=+Buffalo+outer#p252022 ; viewtopic.php?f=20&t=42037&p=237699&hilit=+Buffalo+outer#p237699 ; viewtopic.php?f=20&t=37455&p=216942&hilit=+Buffalo+outer#p216942 Sorry I got a bit carried away.
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Re: Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter

Postby willsdad » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:34 am

Thanks for all the feedback.

My conclusion is to buy a 4 season bag and watch for a break in the weather. Oh and possibly reroute past the Forcan Ridge area.
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Re: Glenfinnan - Shiel Bridge in Winter

Postby Giant Stoneater » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:30 pm

willsdad wrote:
Giant Stoneater wrote:One year we hit mega snow going over Mam Meadail


What time of year was that?

Thanks for all the info. Rivers I can't really prepare for. It'll just be wet feet or detours at the time.
I may be asking the wrong way. ...What is the best month to go so I can enjoy the beauty of winter without needing specialist equipment?


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