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Re: the C word

Postby johnkaysleftleg » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:28 pm

Well that's my answer, this is going to be a serious challenge to my mental health no matter how much I fully understand the reasons.
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Re: the C word

Postby EmilyD » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:23 am

johnkaysleftleg wrote:Well that's my answer, this is going to be a serious challenge to my mental health no matter how much I fully understand the reasons.


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Re: the C word

Postby Sunset tripper » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:39 am

johnkaysleftleg wrote:Well that's my answer, this is going to be a serious challenge to my mental health no matter how much I fully understand the reasons.

With folk going stir crazy and also being cooped up together, mental health is going to be a serious problem.
I'm certainly not an expert but for the new restrictions of liberty to work, surely the virus is still required to spread and fairly quickly. If it spreads too slow we will be in Lockdown forever.
Dont we still need it to spread fast, but not unchecked and not so fast the NHS goes into total meltdown?

It looks like it will be a bit of a balancing act if the new measures slow it down significantly.

I dont understand it myself and I'm fairly certain Boris doesn't either. Hopefully his advisors have the right strategy in place but it's new territory for them also.
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Re: the C word

Postby johnkaysleftleg » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:15 am

Sunset tripper wrote:
johnkaysleftleg wrote:Well that's my answer, this is going to be a serious challenge to my mental health no matter how much I fully understand the reasons.

With folk going stir crazy and also being cooped up together, mental health is going to be a serious problem.
I'm certainly not an expert but for the new restrictions of liberty to work, surely the virus is still required to spread and fairly quickly. If it spreads too slow we will be in Lockdown forever.
Dont we still need it to spread fast, but not unchecked and not so fast the NHS goes into total meltdown?

It looks like it will be a bit of a balancing act if the new measures slow it down significantly.

I dont understand it myself and I'm fairly certain Boris doesn't either. Hopefully his advisors have the right strategy in place but it's new territory for them also.


If we don't slow it down the NHS will be overwhelmed, and many people who will otherwise be saved will die. It's a case of whatever it takes as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: the C word

Postby Manwaeadug » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:19 pm

As someone who had spent autumn and winter putting together half decent kit in order to take to the hills with my dog for the first time I can't deny I am beyond gutted that it probably wont be happening this year. However, there are more important things in the world to consider than my plans of 'conquering' Goatfell or the Merrick in May! I'll stick to walks along country paths for my allotted exercise slot for now.........pretty sure those hills will still be there when this pandemic passes.
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Re: the C word

Postby Gareth Harper » Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:20 pm

I'm certainly not an expert but for the new restrictions of liberty to work, surely the virus is still required to spread and fairly quickly. If it spreads too slow we will be in Lockdown forever.
Dont we still need it to spread fast, but not unchecked and not so fast the NHS goes into total meltdown?


1427 new confirmed cases so far today. That’s a real worry. We may be too late with the lockdown.
You can the daily global stats here.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597

Bare in mind stats depend on testing. From what I have read the UK is not carrying out the stringent testing recommended by the WHO.
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Re: the C word

Postby al78 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:27 am

Sunset tripper wrote:
johnkaysleftleg wrote:Well that's my answer, this is going to be a serious challenge to my mental health no matter how much I fully understand the reasons.

With folk going stir crazy and also being cooped up together, mental health is going to be a serious problem.
I'm certainly not an expert but for the new restrictions of liberty to work, surely the virus is still required to spread and fairly quickly. If it spreads too slow we will be in Lockdown forever.
Dont we still need it to spread fast, but not unchecked and not so fast the NHS goes into total meltdown?

It looks like it will be a bit of a balancing act if the new measures slow it down significantly.

I dont understand it myself and I'm fairly certain Boris doesn't either. Hopefully his advisors have the right strategy in place but it's new territory for them also.


It would be a hideous irony if depression related suicide as a result of severe restriction on freedom of mobility resulted in more deaths than the virus.

We need it to spread slowly to give the NHS the best chance of dealing with it. There is a point where the rate of people needing treatment exceeds the ability to cope, and restriction of socialising is aimed at keeping the peak down to a level where the NHS can cope. Having it spread fast is analogous to a foot of rain falling in one day on the Lake District and watching how the river catchments respond. Slowing it down by widespread social isolation is like watching the rivers respond to a foot of rain falling over two months. At some point it will peak and then recede, we need the peak to be within capability, eventually we might be able to develop a vaccine which will knock it on the head.
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Re: the C word

Postby Marty_JG » Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:54 pm

I've been telling the partner we'll be likely having lockdown restrictions until 2022, now Chris Whitty (England's CMO) has already been brave enough to say lockdowns will almost certainly be happening well into 2021. It remains my view we won't be moving to "the full 2019" until 2022.
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Re: the C word

Postby al78 » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:53 pm

Sunset tripper wrote:
johnkaysleftleg wrote:Well that's my answer, this is going to be a serious challenge to my mental health no matter how much I fully understand the reasons.

With folk going stir crazy and also being cooped up together, mental health is going to be a serious problem.
I'm certainly not an expert but for the new restrictions of liberty to work, surely the virus is still required to spread and fairly quickly. If it spreads too slow we will be in Lockdown forever.


If that ever happened I would seriously consider whether life was worth living anymore. A life without human interaction, without giving and receiving love and affection is not a life. There is a reason solitary confinement is used as a punishment.
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Re: the C word

Postby mynthdd2 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:10 am

Like many others I go to the hills for their cathartic effect on my physical and mental well being - now I can't do that and like many others feel an increased anxiety - whilst unlikely to escalate to depression its not a good place to be in
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Re: the C word

Postby Csm8 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:54 am

mynthdd2 wrote:Like many others I go to the hills for their cathartic effect on my physical and mental well being - now I can't do that and like many others feel an increased anxiety - whilst unlikely to escalate to depression its not a good place to be in


There’s not going to be a ban on the hills forever, restrictions will be eased enough soon - enough to the point where you will be to travel for exercise. The government won’t allow it to spiral into a mental health mega crisis. Social distancing will be a thing for a good while yes, pubs and restaurants etc will have to limit numbers for the foreseeable. Remember that corona virus has been around for decades, this particular nasty strain will soon be under control and, like the flu, a vaccine will be available for the most venerable.

I know it’s tough and there’s alot of uncertainty but there are alot of people are much worse off. It’s important to try to keep some perspective.
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Re: the C word

Postby goth_angel » Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:32 pm

mynthdd2 wrote:Like many others I go to the hills for their cathartic effect on my physical and mental well being - now I can't do that and like many others feel an increased anxiety - whilst unlikely to escalate to depression its not a good place to be in


Not the only reason I go to the hills but the positive effect on my well-being is one of them, not least to de-stress from my job - my other main method of stress relief is swimming and I can't do that at the moment either.

Whilst accepting things could be a lot worse and the need for perspective I rather doubt that allowing people to go hill walking is top of the Government's priority list and the idea of restrictions till 2022 is just horrible. Maybe I need to only read the more positive news articles!
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Re: the C word

Postby onsen » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:05 am

There's a light at the end of the tunnel when all this isolation has run its coarse...

Our local government in Oz has just eased restrictions alittle...travel allowed for a family unit up to 50km radius, some of our National Parks have reopened for day walks only with social distancing still in place, overnight camping & drive-in campsites still closed. Beaches are open again. Schooling for kids is still at home at the moment, that'll be reassessed in 2weeks time.

If the rules get abused( large gatherings, ignoring social distancing) or there's a spike in cases they'll clamp down again.

Hang in there fellow walker's. For your own sanity, walk close & local. :wink:
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Re: the C word

Postby mynthdd2 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:47 pm

....glad we don't have snakes like that in the UK...
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Re: the C word

Postby onsen » Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:03 pm

mynthdd2 wrote:....glad we don't have snakes like that in the UK...


It looked even bigger in the flesh....just under 4m. Solid muscle. :shock:
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