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Are leaking boots irreparable?

Re: Are leaking boots irreparable?

Postby jacob » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:34 pm

rockhopper wrote:Interesting. Neither pair of my Scarpa SL M3 boots and Scarpa SL Activ boots has a goretex lining - a quick wash with water after each use, let them dry naturally then apply Scarpa HS12 silicone based cream. Touch wood, they've been waterproof, no leaks and no goretex - cheers :)


True what you say, but Scarpa do use a cocona fabric that is (said to be) waterproof. So even your SL boots are not solely relying on leather and wax.
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Re: Are leaking boots irreparable?

Postby derrickfarnell » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:17 pm

I bought leather Meindl boots with a Gore-Tex lining. I also bought some Scarpa HS12 cream - should I first use this before or after my first use of the boots?
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Re: Are leaking boots irreparable?

Postby Sack the Juggler » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:00 pm

derrickfarnell wrote:I bought leather Meindl boots with a Gore-Tex lining. I also bought some Scarpa HS12 cream - should I first use this before or after my first use of the boots?

Great choice of boot, I love meindl boots, although to be honest, I don't wax mine, but maybe I should? I'm sure the cream will help with the waterproofing, but I don't know if it affects the breathability of the boot? As someone who doesn't take care of his boots (other than to wash the muck off occasionally) I'm probably not qualified to answer the to cream or not to cream question.
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Re: Are leaking boots irreparable?

Postby derrickfarnell » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:32 pm

I already love them, and I've only worn them around my flat. :)

From what the assistant told me, it seems that you definitely should apply some kind of treatment regularly, given that leather is an organic material. He recommended applying the cream once a month, but washing the boot inside and out after every trip.
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Re: Are leaking boots irreparable?

Postby davekeiller » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:56 pm

It's worth investigating to find out if the boots are, in fact, leaking or whether dirt is clogging the membrane and causing you to get wet from sweat (or water is being funneled in from above at the ankle). If that's the case then cleaning (inside and out) and applying a suitable waterproofing product will likely resolve the issue. Try filling the boots with water and leaving them overnight - if they're still full in the morning then they aren't leaking.

With leather boots, the leather is waterproof but only up to a point, and water will eventually soak through. Membranes provide an impermeable barrier to prevent this happening, although some suspect that this also allows the manufacturers to use cheaper leather. It's generally regarded as being important to use wax on leather boots as this helps to replace the oils in the leather which stops it drying out and cracking and also maintains water repellency. Nikwax and Granger's claim that their products are formulated such that it's no longer possible to "overwax" boots and damage the leather, although this was possible in the past when using old fashioned dubbin. I wouldn't bother applying anything prior to first use of the boots, as they'll have been treated as part of the manufacturing process, and the point of applying something is to restore this after exposure to the elements.
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Re: Are leaking boots irreparable?

Postby derrickfarnell » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:52 pm

Re my old boots, the assistant also raised the possibilities that you do, and also suggested filling the boots with water - which I did, and both boots started leaking. But they're of course still good for dry days.

Thanks for the info and advice re treatments. :)
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Re: Are leaking boots irreparable?

Postby regedmunds » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:49 pm

During the last 10 years of hiking I've experienceed the problem of leaking boots. I've always taken the easy way out and bought new ones. I started with full leather and have gone through three pairs, two wore out and the third leaked after 2 years. Took me by surprise when they leaked but I now wonder if it was because of the very hot weather we had in 2018? I have my own way of testing for leaks, I just fill them up with warm water and leave them on top of our wheely bin. My last leather boots, after an hour leaked in different paces all along the sole line from both boots. Each leak looked like it had been pricked with a needle.

I've also bought three pairs of 'fabric GTX' type boots. Salomon Quest 4D, they leaked after about 10 months use, Keen Targee 2, they leaked after a months use and a cheap pair from Decathlon, they just leaked. The Decathlon ones however dried quickly so were easier to live with. The one redeeming feature of all of these boots were that they were supremely comfortable.
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Re: Are leaking boots irreparable?

Postby derrickfarnell » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:20 pm

My last boots, which cost £140, lasted three years, but it of course depends on the quality of the boot, how well you clean them, and the kind of terrain you're using them on.
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Re: Are leaking boots irreparable?

Postby davekeiller » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:55 pm

If the boots leak in a line where the sole meets the upper, and each leak is a point like having been pricked with a needle, there's a fair chance that the join between sole and upper has failed. It's possible to get the boots re-soled, which may be preferable to getting completely new boots.
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Re: Are leaking boots irreparable?

Postby regedmunds » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:41 pm

My problem is that once boots let me down I loose all confidence in them. I then buy new ones.
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