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Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby HalfManHalfTitanium » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:37 pm

Another clue has just occurred to me. If I had written this puzzle before 1928, I could have said:

F’s F’s Fs wanted a home in their home.”

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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby RICHARDCFF » Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:15 am

Could it be Forfarshire's Friockheim's Flemings wanted a home in their home?

Seems to fit some of the clues at any rate: 'Friockheim' means 'heathery home', combination of gaelic and german. Named as such due to imigration of flemish spinners in the 1820s. Forfarshire became Angus in 1928.
However, no idea regarding the N from O!
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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby HalfManHalfTitanium » Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:16 pm

RICHARDCFF wrote:Could it be Forfarshire's Friockheim's Flemings wanted a home in their home?

Seems to fit some of the clues at any rate: 'Friockheim' means 'heathery home', combination of gaelic and german. Named as such due to imigration of flemish spinners in the 1820s. Forfarshire became Angus in 1928.
However, no idea regarding the N from O!


Spot on! :clap: :clap: :clap:

In the early nineteeth century Flemish spinners and weavers settled in the village then called Friock (heather). They asked for heim (= home) to be added to the name, so that it would mean "heathery home", indicating their new home in Scotland.

Friockheim is a few miles North of Arbroath Abbey and its "Round O" -

"The distinctive round window high in the south transept was originally lit up at night as a beacon for mariners. It is known locally as the 'Round O', and from this tradition inhabitants of Arbroath are colloquially known as 'Reid Lichties' (Scots reid = red)." (Wikipedia).

I referred to it as a place of declaration and discovery - to refer to the Declaration of Arbroath, and to the discovery of the Stone of Destiny at the Abbey in 1951.

Over to you!

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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby Sgurr » Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:57 pm

Should have remembered "A Round O" was a book of poems I used to get very infrequently in a house clearance.
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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby RICHARDCFF » Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:31 pm

Though more famous for something else, JM had a RB at C. C is not in Scotland, but there is a celtic connection.
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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby Sgurr » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:44 pm

I will hazard a guess that John Macdonald had a ???(something...????rowing boat) at Calgary????
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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby RICHARDCFF » Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:06 pm

Sgurr wrote:I will hazard a guess that John Macdonald had a ???(something...????rowing boat) at Calgary????


Nope, wrong on all counts.
At this early stage the only further clue I can offer is that C is not in Canada (nor Canada itself)
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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby Sgurr » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:37 pm

Well that saves a lot of towns beginning with C in Canada. Currently nosing round Carlisle.
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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby RICHARDCFF » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:56 pm

Sgurr wrote:Well that saves a lot of towns beginning with C in Canada. Currently nosing round Carlisle.


I would leave Carlisle and head for a celtic land in your quest for C
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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby Sgurr » Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:03 am

Anything to do with James Miln and Carnac (up taking sunrise pics and head a bit befuddled.) A roving brief?
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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby RICHARDCFF » Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:40 pm

Sgurr wrote:Anything to do with James Miln and Carnac (up taking sunrise pics and head a bit befuddled.) A roving brief?


No, not him or there. In fact you can also exclude Brittany from the quest for C.

C was a RB. In Scotland we have Bs rather than Bs. Nevertheless it could be argued that at this time many Scottish Bs were also R.
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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby HalfManHalfTitanium » Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:49 pm

RICHARDCFF wrote:
Sgurr wrote:Anything to do with James Miln and Carnac (up taking sunrise pics and head a bit befuddled.) A roving brief?


No, not him or there. In fact you can also exclude Brittany from the quest for C.

C was a RB. In Scotland we have Bs rather than Bs. Nevertheless it could be argued that at this time many Scottish Bs were also R.


Not really a guess, just a possible “line of enquiry”... Caernarfon is (or was) a Royal Borough. Scotland has Burghs not Boroughs. There are no longer, as I understand it, Royal Burghs in Scotland, but there are I think still some places that use it as a kind of honorary title. But even if that is correct, I have no idea who JM was!

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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby Sgurr » Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:57 pm

Is it about Burghs and Boroughs and Royal Boroughs? If so, I have come to a halt, since I can only find Caernarvon and Conwy, and I can't find out any JMs...so I think I am barking up the wrong tree....again.
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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby RICHARDCFF » Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:53 pm

HMHT and Sgurr, you are both getting closer but have made a couple of incorrect assumptions
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Re: Can I have a "P" please Bob - Scotland (2nd edition)

Postby Sgurr » Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:36 pm

Now looking at Cashel, Clonmel and Cork, all of which have been called Royal Boroughs at one time for standing up to Cromwell, but can't find any JBs except for James Butler who put up a fight against Cromwell, but sems to have no Scots connections whatsoever. This is a probe, not an answer.
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