{"id":15192,"date":"2016-07-31T11:00:15","date_gmt":"2016-07-31T11:00:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/?p=15192"},"modified":"2021-01-19T13:47:42","modified_gmt":"2021-01-19T13:47:42","slug":"munro-bagging-what-counts-as-a-genuine-ascent","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/munro-bagging-what-counts-as-a-genuine-ascent\/","title":{"rendered":"Munro-bagging &#8211; what counts as a genuine ascent?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-8408\" alt=\"viewpoint\" src=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/viewpoint.jpg\" width=\"230\" height=\"347\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/viewpoint.jpg 230w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/viewpoint-99x150.jpg 99w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/viewpoint-199x300.jpg 199w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 230px) 100vw, 230px\" \/>I was on Meall nan Tarmachan the other day enjoying the bonus of starting my climb at a healthy 500 metres above sea level. I mentioned this to a couple of guys I met close to the summit and one of them, with tongue firmly in cheek, suggested we were all \u2018cheating.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>The comment reminded me of a minor brouhaha that broke out a few years ago when the Daily Mail ran a story about a member of the Munro Society, the club that exists for all those who have climbed <a href=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/munros\/\">Scotland\u2019s Munros<\/a>, suggested that the vast majority of the Society\u2019s members were fakes.<\/p>\n<p> Professor Findlay Swinton, a retired chemistry professor from Dundee, claimed that only a minority of hillwalkers had actually climbed all the Munros under their own steam.<br \/>\n \u201cThese are people who have led or soloed all the Cuillin tops. Being dragged 80ft up the Inaccessible Pinnacle on Skye, then lowered off by a professional guide or a friendly rock climber, surely doesn\u2019t count as a genuine ascent,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p> I disagreed with the good Professor at the time. Surely we climb hills for fun, for exercise, for simple recreation that exposes us to the natural world and all the goodness that invokes?<br \/>\nMy own first ascent of the In Pinn, as a very inexperienced youngster, was on the end of someone else\u2019s rope and no-one could have convinced me then that I was a fake. I was almost overwhelmed by an experience that became a bedrock in my ambitions to climb hills for the rest of my life.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve since taken\/guided numerous people up the <a href=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/skye\/innpinn.shtml\">In Pinn<\/a> and I wouldn\u2019t for a moment consider their ascent was anything other than genuine. The debate threw up a number of issues at the time, including a claim that a Munro tick for climbing <a href=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/munros\/cairn-gorm\">Cairn Gorm<\/a> from the top of the funicular train or <a href=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/fortwilliam\/aonachs-gondola.shtml\">Aonach Mor from the top of the gondola<\/a> was equally \u2018cheating\u201d. <\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_15198\" style=\"width: 442px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/inpinn.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-15198\" src=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/inpinn-432x600.jpg\" alt=\"The Inaccessible Pinnacle (In Pinn)\" width=\"432\" height=\"600\" class=\"size-large wp-image-15198\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/inpinn-432x600.jpg 432w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/inpinn-108x150.jpg 108w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/inpinn-216x300.jpg 216w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/inpinn.jpg 504w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 432px) 100vw, 432px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-15198\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Inaccessible Pinnacle (In Pinn)<\/p><\/div>\n<p>I remember discussing all these thoughts with a pal of mine as we descended onto the great connecting rib between Creise and Meall a\u2019 Bhuridh, the two Munros that form part of the great western wall that fringes the Rannoch Moor. By a curious coincidence we happened to meet a couple of Munro-baggers on the Meall a\u2019 Bhuridh ridge, two guys who said they had just taken the chairlift to the summit of Meall a\u2019 Bhuridh. From there they were heading for Creise to bag the Munro. It was on the tip of my tongue to question their use of the chairlift, but I stopped myself.<\/p>\n<p>The guys were enjoying their day out, they were appreciative of the wonderful surroundings and, as far as they were concerned, the use of the chairlift to <a href=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/fortwilliam\/creise.shtml\">Meall a\u2019 Bhuridh<\/a> was completely legitimate. And who was I, or anyone else, to disagree and suggest their ascents were not bona-fide?<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_15199\" style=\"width: 710px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/lawers-1-of-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-15199\" src=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/lawers-1-of-1.jpg\" alt=\"View from Ben Lawers\" width=\"700\" height=\"467\" class=\"size-full wp-image-15199\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/lawers-1-of-1.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/lawers-1-of-1-200x133.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/lawers-1-of-1-390x260.jpg 390w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-15199\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">View from Ben Lawers<\/p><\/div>\n<p>I make frequent use of the Cairn Gorm car park at 2500 feet, or the <a href=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/perthshire\/ben-lawers.shtml\">Ben Lawers<\/a> high-level car park. Is that cheating? On a bigger scale, mountaineers heading to Everest fly in to Lukla, at a height of 12,000 feet. Does that reduce their claim to have climbed the highest mountain in the world? If that\u2019s the case the only \u2018genuine\u2019 ascent of Everest I could think of was Phil and Pauline Sanderson\u2019s journey when they and some friends cycled to Nepal from the lowest point on Earth, beside the Red Sea in Jordan, then climbed the highest mountain in the world. But did the fact that they used bikes to get from Jordan to Nepal negate any claim for a \u201cgenuine ascent\u201d? I think not.<\/p>\n<p>Likewise, Swedish mountaineer Goran Kropp once cycled from his home in Malmo all the way to Kathmandu from where he trekked to Everest Base Camp and then climbed the mountain solo. Ah, say the critics, but he used a bike! That\u2019s cheating.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_15219\" style=\"width: 810px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/biking.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-15219\" src=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/biking-800x534.jpg\" alt=\"Biking up Glen Ey\" width=\"800\" height=\"534\" class=\"size-large wp-image-15219\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/biking-800x534.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/biking-200x133.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/biking-390x260.jpg 390w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/biking.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-15219\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Biking up Glen Ey<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Our conversation made me realise there isn\u2019t really such a thing as a \u201cgenuine ascent,\u201d unless you climbed every Munro from sea level. Now that would be a challenge wouldn\u2019t it? Can you imagine climbing the land-locked Cairngorms, one at a time, from somewhere on the Moray coast?<\/p>\n<p>Or take the Ben Alder group, hills that are probably as distant from the sea as any. Where would you start from? Loch Linnhe at Fort William, or a long walk-in from the Moray coast? And of course if you were going for the real and genuine round of the Munros you would attempt them without the assistance of a guidebook or a map and you wouldn\u2019t follow a footpath to any summit.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_15201\" style=\"width: 710px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/alder-1-of-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-15201\" src=\"\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/alder-1-of-1.jpg\" alt=\"Ben Alder\" width=\"700\" height=\"467\" class=\"size-full wp-image-15201\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/alder-1-of-1.jpg 700w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/alder-1-of-1-200x133.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/alder-1-of-1-390x260.jpg 390w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-15201\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ben Alder<\/p><\/div>\n<p>And while you\u2019re it perhaps you should consider if wearing lightweight boots would be cheating \u2013 after all the pioneers wore heavy hobnailed boots! And what about Gore-Tex and Event? No way \u2013 it has to be tweed or nothing. In fact, wearing any kind of protective clothing might be construed as cheating so it has to be a naked ascent, with no gear, no guidebook and no map and compass \u2013 and all hills must be climbed from sea level, preferably at low tide!<\/p>\n<p>So those are the rules for the Genuine Munros Compleation. Any takers?<\/p>\n<p>Of course not \u2013 it was all silly speculation and the important thing about hills and mountains is in the being there, not how many peaks you can \u201cbag\u201d. And here was I, seriously considering all this nonsense, in one of the most spectacular settings in the western highlands. I really need to get out more&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was on Meall nan Tarmachan the other day enjoying the bonus of starting my climb at a healthy 500 metres above sea level. I mentioned this to a couple of guys I met close to the summit and one of them, with tongue firmly in cheek, suggested we were all \u2018cheating.\u2019 The comment reminded me of a minor brouhaha that broke out a few years ago when the Daily Mail ran a story about a member of the Munro Society, the club that exists for all those who have climbed Scotland\u2019s Munros, suggested that the vast majority of the<span class=\"ellipsis\">&hellip;<\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/munro-bagging-what-counts-as-a-genuine-ascent\/\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"read-more\">Read more &#8250;<\/div>\n<p><!-- end of .read-more --><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":15219,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[37,8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-15192","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-features","category-magazine"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15192","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=15192"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15192\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":15220,"href":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15192\/revisions\/15220"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/15219"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=15192"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=15192"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.walkhighlands.co.uk\/news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=15192"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}